Corporate Services
and Economic Development Committee Report 17 28 november 2007 |
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Comité des services organisationnels et du
développement économique rapport 17 le 28 novembre 2007 |
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Extract of draft Minutes 18 19 & 20 november
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Extrait de l’ébauche du procès-verbal 18 –
le 19 & 20 novembre 2007 |
SURPLUS
SCHOOL PROPERTIES -
3071 RIVERSIDE DRIVE AND 2720 RICHMOND ROAD -
OWNED BY THE OTTAWA-CARLETON DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD
EXCÉDENT DE PROPRIÉTÉS SCOLAIRES -
3071, PROMENADE RIVERSIDE ET 2720, CHEMIN RICHMOND - APPARTENANT À LA
OTTAWA-CARLETON DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD
ACS2007-BTS-RPM-0042 Bay (4), River (16)
Appearing before Committee on this item were Mr. S. Finnamore, Executive Director of Business Transformation Services and Mr. G. MacNair, Manager of Real Estate Services. Mr. Finnamore provided Committee with a brief overview of the staff report, noting some of Committee’s discussions on this topic would need to take place In Camera. Mr. MacNair then described the two subject properties for Committee’s benefit.
Committee heard from the
following public delegations.
Ronald Caza, Centre
multi-services franc ouest (CMFO), referenced the City’s policy on purchasing surplus schools,
noting its objective was to prevent having such sites fall into private
hands. He indicated the issue before
Committee today was whether or not to recommend the purchase of the Grant
school. He submitted that the Grant
school would be a good investment for the City. He discussed: its
construction date and therefore its historical value; its natural environment
and the trees and greenspace to be preserved; and the fact that the francophone
community was in need of such a site.
For these reasons, he urged Committee and Council to seize the
opportunity to purchase the Grant school and to proceed, in so doing, to
ensuring that Francophones in Ottawa’s western regions had a place where they
could live in French and preserve their language and their culture. He referenced the growing numbers of
Francophones and Francophiles in Ottawa’s west end, as demonstrated by the
growing number of French and French-immersion schools in the area, and
submitted that they currently did not have a place where they could live in
French and participate in activities in French. Without getting into details of the CMFO project, he advised that
a number of organizations were already on side and that $450,000 had been
collected to make the project a reality.
He re-iterated his request for Committee and Council to seize the
opportunity to purchase the Grant school, submitting it would be an investment
because the CMFO project would not cost the City any money. It would be self-sustaining and it would be
successful.
Jocelyne Chenier, Centre
communautaire franc oust (CCFO), spoke on behalf of her organization as well as all the other
partner organizations of the CMFO. She
indicated her organization served approximately 2000 families and she strongly
encouraged Committee and Council to proceed with the purchase of the Grant
school site. She indicated it was not
easy for community organizations in Ottawa’s west end to reach and serve
Francophones and Francophiles, which were spread out throughout the area. Therefore, she submitted it was essential
that all such organizations be gathered under one roof. She believed that by working together under
one roof, these organizations would be able to create a synergy, which would
allow them to become more efficient in providing their services. She then discussed the difficulties
currently experienced in finding suitable and affordable space in the area, noting
that in the past five years, the CCFO had moved three times and would be moving
again in the coming weeks. She
discussed similar problems being experienced by other francophone services
organizations in the west-end and submitted that the City’s purchase of the
Grant school would provide an opportunity to solve all these problems. She felt it was essential for Ottawa’s
west-end francophones and she urged Committee and Council to proceed with the
purchase.
Gérard Savoie, Hôpital
Montfort,
advised that, as a full partner of the CMFO, the Hôpital Montfort was
supporting the City’s purchase of the Grant school site. He noted that, despite being located in the
East end of the City, Montfort served all of Ottawa’s francophones. He discussed the importance of establishing
various forms of health care service delivery throughout the community and the
current state of the health care system and he submitted that it was essential
to set-up a family medical service team to serve the 21,000 Francophones in Ottawa’s
west end. He felt the CMFO would be
part of the solution in resolving health care problems and he indicated that
Montfort would work with the CMFO to establish its family medical service team. He then discussed the partnership between
Montfort and the University of Ottawa in terms of training health care
professionals and advised that the family medical service team located with the
CMFO would be a teaching facility. In
closing, he suggested this school site purchase presented an opportunity for the
City to have a part in the solution.
Serge Brousseau, La Cité
Collégiale,
reminded Committee that La Cité Collégiale was created in 1990 in order to give
Francophones better access to quality post-secondary education. He noted that most of the schools’s students
came from central and eastern Ottawa.
However, he believed that if La Cité Collégiale had facilities in the
west end, they would attract more Francophone students from the area. He advised that, although La Cité Collégiale
had no intention of setting up a campus in the West end, it would be interested
in providing, in collaboration with the CMFO, a point of service for the
growing Francophone population in the area.
He then discussed various ideas in terms of programs and services La
Cité Collégiale could provide at the CMFO facility. For these reasons, he expressed the school’s interest in entering
into a partnership with the CMFO and he urged Committee and Council to proceed
with the purchase of the Grant school site.
Responding to questions
from Councillor Cullen, Mr. Caza confirmed that 55 Francophone organizations
were partnering with the CMFO. He
submitted a book of letters of support from various organizations, representing
108,000 individuals. A copy of this
submission is held on file with the City Clerk.
Henry Swiech, President of the Queensway
Terrace North Community Association, expressed his organization’s support for the City’s policy to purchase
surplus schools as they became available because of the increasing pressure on communities
within the boundaries of the old City of Ottawa in terms of increasing rarity
of properties for public use. He listed
a number of community organizations in the area of the Grant school property as
well as several potential uses for the facility. Based on this information, he submitted the City would have no
problem utilizing the property and that staff could put together several viable
business plans for Council’s consideration.
A copy of Mr. Swiech’s written submission is held on file with the City
Clerk.
Mr. M. Salhani, Parish
Councilor at St. Elias Cathedral, noted the Bayview Public School site was located one block south
of the Cathedral, which had a member of 1,500 families scattered throughout
Ottawa. On behalf of the congregation,
he expressed support for the proposed acquisition of the site, noting it was
reasonable to expect that City Council should protect and preserve the public
investment as much as it was financially practical to do so. He submitted that allowing the property to
be offered on the open market would defeat any hopes of preserving even part of
the site for institutional or recreational uses. Because he also recognized the City’s financial challenges, he
expressed support for selling off part of the site to private interests in
order to recuperate
costs. Furthermore, he advised that St.
Elias Cathedral was interested in the school building for conversion to a
retirement home for the aged and perhaps a licensed daycare for pre-school
children, which would be operated and owned by St. Elias Cathedral but would
serve the general public.
Responding to questions
from Mayor O’Brien, Mr. Salhani confirmed that St. Elias Cathedral had money
set aside and was prepared to invest into the facility. However, he noted it would be subject to
some due diligence with respect to building inspections and so on.
Councillor McRae advised
that she had met with the Parish Council of St. Elias and she confirmed that
Mr. Salhani’s presentation reflected the City’s policy, which was to save the
site for a particular interest. She
indicated the Parish would like to see the City follow through on its
policy. She further noted that the
Parish had been told they would have to develop a business case for their
proposal.
Mr. B. Smith, President
of the Riverside Park Community and Recreational Association (RPCRA), expressed his
organization’s support for the purchase of the Bayview school property, noting
the site was an integral part of their community. He discussed the property’s greenspace, which was used for sports
and play activities and enjoyed as general open space. In particular, he indicated that for 25
years, the Association had maintained and operated an open-air skating rink on
the site. He felt it was important for
the City to maintain such open and green space and he submitted that the
retention of this open space would be a natural extension of the Mooney’s Bay
Park. He assumed that, should the
property be sold to any entity other than the City, the open areas and sports fields
would be lost to the community.
Therefore, he submitted this was a one-time opportunity for the City to
acquire the site and ensure that its use remained consistent with the character
and nature of the neighbourhood.
Councillor McRae noted
Committee was in receipt of a letter from the RPCRA. Furthermore, she advised that the organization had held their
annual general meeting the previous week and had engaged in an open discussion
on this issue. Therefore, Mr. Smith was
not only representing his organization, but also his community.
Mr. R. Brockington,
resident of the Mooney’s Bay community and School Board Trustee for Zone 11 -
River Ward,
indicated the Ottawa-Carleton District School Board (OCDSB) had accepted its
staff’s recommendation to pursue negotiations with the City of Ottawa with
respect to the sale of both the former Bayview Public School site and the
former Grant Public School site. He
advised that, after trustees closed Bayview School on August 31st,
2007, deemed the site surplus to the School Board’s needs and commenced a
disposal process, all local public entities were approached under Ontario
Regulation 444-98. He indicated his
opinion was that the spirit of such regulation was to keep public sites in
public hands. He noted the City was the
only entity to express interest. He
firmly believed there was significant demand within Riverside Park to make the
acquisition feasible for the City and that this was truly a win-win
proposition. The School Board would get
approximately fair market value for the site, the City would retain it for
public use, and the local community would continue to use much-needed
greenspace, recreational sites and a community facility. He reported that for years, as speculation
increased that the School Board would once and for all tackle the declining
enrollment issue in the community and close the school, multiple local
community groups had approached him asking how they could lease, rent or
acquire the building. He submitted that
demand existed for community centre space, community service centre space,
seniors’ recreational space, seniors’ long-term care facility space, daycare
space and other specific needs. He
indicated the purpose of his presentation was to ensure Committee and Council
were cognizant of the overwhelming support that existed in the area for the
site to remain in public hands, for much-needed greenspace to be retained for
ice skating, soccer, baseball, etc. He
said he was aware of Council’s fiscal challenges. He submitted that, as Chair of the School Board’s Budget
Committee, he was no stranger to difficult budgets. However, he urged Committee and Council to consider the long-term
effect of their decision and to not reject the proposal simply because of the
price. He asked that members consider
the long-term benefits that would be retained for the community for years to
come. He reported it was very likely
that if no deal was reached, trustees may consider selling the site on the open
market. If this happened, he believed
greenspace and a community building that had existed for decades and had served
thousands of local residents, would be lost forever. He noted the annual operating cost were low for maintaining ice
rinks, soccer pitched and ball diamonds and that this was a good deal for the
City of Ottawa, the residents of Riverside Park and the greater community. He urged Committee and Council to accept the
staff recommendation to acquire both the Bayview Public School and Grant Public
School sites. He opined that it may be
odd for the seller of the building to appear before Committee to urge the City
to accept staff’s proposal. However, he
maintained it was about retaining a public good in public hands. He remarked that many trustees believed the
School Board could get more money on the open market for the Bayview site. He re-iterated this was a once-in-a-life
time opportunity to retain a public good for public use and he urged the City
to work with the School Board for a win-win solution.
Councillor
Deans referenced a situation in her ward a few years back when the City had
expressed an interest in acquiring land at Cahill Drive and Hunt Club Road for
the South-Central District Library. She
recalled that the Ottawa Board of Education (OBE) would not entertain the
City’s offer, which would have retained those lands in the long-term public
interest. As a result, the City found
an alternate site for the Library and a few months later, the OBE sold the
preferred site into public ownership for housing development. She agreed with retaining public sites for
public uses. However, she maintained
that all sides had to cooperate in order to make things happen. She referenced the delegation’s comments with
respect to the School Board getting “approximately fair market value” and she
wondered, if the City was to retain the site as greenspace, if he would be
prepared to advance a motion to give the City a break on the purchase price, in
the interest of working together to retain the site as greenspace for the
future of Ottawa’s residents. Mr.
Brockington responded that, as one trustee, he was certainly prepared to be
engaged in the thorough discussion, when the discussion was held at the School
Board table. He indicated he shared
many of the concerns of local residents and members of Council about the value
of retaining the site within the community.
However, he indicated School Board trustees would not sell vacant or
surplus land to the City for a dollar, or some very nominal fee. This was shy he suggested that if there
could not be an agreement, that the City not reject it outright because it was
about a negotiation. The parties were
trying to compromise with each other and go back and forth until they could
come to some sort of agreement. He
indicated he was prepared to entertain any logical or rational offer being made
and to articulate the concerns of his constituents and of the district. He cautioned that he could not answer
specific questions about what he thought the School Board would do because that
was also up to his colleagues. However,
he reported that when they had the discussion at the School Board table, he had
been very positive and supportive of retaining the site. He re-iterated that he would not support
selling the site for one dollar and that there had to be a fair offer put on
the table because, like the City, the School Board had its own challenges to
address.
Councillor Deans
wondered, if the City ended up paying “approximately fair market value” for the
site, whether it was the delegation’s intention to ensure that the Board did
not put any restrictions in the agreement with respect to the property’s
use. Mr. Brockington indicated it was
difficult for him to comment public, noting that the parties were in negotiations. He advised that, like the City, the School
Board handled its negotiations In Camera.
He reported the only thing he could say was that he was an active
participant in these discussions with his colleagues at the School Board, that
they had thus far had thorough discussions, and that they would continue to do
so as needed. Furthermore, he
re-iterated that he would advocate on behalf of his constituents for all sort
of rational, logical offers before the Board.
He did not want to commit to what offers he would or would not buy into
without first hearing from the School Board’s own staff. In closing, he re-iterated his desire to see
the site retained for public use.
Councillor Desroches
submitted these were lands already owned by the taxpayers. Therefore, he felt the policies, at all
levels, should be to facilitate the transfers of those lands. He wondered if the School Board would
entertain a proposition to sell the land to the City at the price the School
Board had paid for those lands.
Mayor O’Brien believed
Mr. Brockington was supportive of having the lands remain in public trust but
that at the same time, he wanted to have the money to carry on and invest in
the School Board’s own infrastructure.
For these reasons, he believed the School Board was looking for fair
market value. Mr. Brockington responded
in the affirmative.
Councillor Bloess noted
that these lands were acquired with taxpayers’ dollars in the first place. He felt there were more fundamental issues
at play here in terms of public uses for public spaces. He felt there should be a formula to make it
more affordable for the City than to pay market value to a School Board and he
indicated he would encourage staff to drive a hard bargain in these
negotiations and to call upon the social conscience of the School Board to give
the City a fair price.
Councillor
Cullen believed the legislation governing the disposition of surplus schools
provided a priority ranking to public facilities, but at the same time, gave
the Board the right, in dealing with the City, the Provincial Government or the
Federal Government, to get market value for the land. Mr. Brockington indicated his understanding of the legislation
was that, when a School Board deemed a site surplus to its needs and agreed to dispose
of the site, an Ontario regulation stipulated that the School Board had to
offer “first dibs” to other local public entities first. For this reason, the School Board approached
the City, the Province, the Federal Government, local colleges, universities
and the other local School Boards to advise of the surplus sites and to request
any offers within 90 days. He remarked
that, should these other local public entities choose to make an offer, it did
not have to be fair market value.
However, he noted the School Board had the sites appraised and he
believed the City had done the same.
Should no offers be made, he reported that School Board staff usually
recommended proceeding to the open market.
He advised that there were some trustees who believed the School Board
could get a lot more money for these sites on the open market but that the will
of the majority was to work with another public entity with the goal of
retaining the properties in public hands and get a fair price at the same
time.
Responding to a further question from Councillor Cullen, Mr. Brockington indicated it was not his preferenced to get into the intricacies of the contract between the School Board and the City. He assumed Committee would have such discussions In Camera. However, he expressed his belief that the offer before the City was a good and fair deal and he hoped Committee would accept staff’s recommendation to acquire both sites.
Pierre Duval, a resident
of Mooney’s
Bay, described his property’s proximity to the Bayview site, noting that for
the past 17 years, he had seen school buses going in and out of the school
property. He indicated his main concern
pertained to the site’s zoning, which he hoped would not change.
Marie Louise Cassis, CCC
# 585,
indicated she represented 87 families, located just south of the Bayview School
property. She expressed discomfort that
the City even had to make this decision.
She advised that her community had been very vocal about the disposal of
the property, about the lack of procedure followed by the School Board, and
about the fact that the Provincial authority had asked them to go back to the
drawing board to review their procedure.
She understood that the City was in a difficult position regarding the
acquisition of this property in terms of the clauses or circumstances the
School Board may try to impose. She
felt it was disturbing that a school with full enrollment had been shut down
and that the School Board viewed this situation as a “win-win”, given the fact
that any money earned from selling this property would only be used to open
another school in another area. She
argued this was not a win-win for her community. She indicated that she understood the financial obligations and
she expressed support for Councillor McRae’s efforts to keep this site a part
of her community. We trust the City
would do what was needed to keep the area beautiful. She submitted the Bayview School site was an exceptional piece of
property and that the City need not worry about recovering its investment.
Responding to a question
from Councillor McRae, Ms. Cassis believed the community wanted to see part of
the land maintained as greenspace and she submitted that public consultation
with respect to the site’s future would be paramount.
In response to questions
from Councillor Desroches, Mr. Finnamore advised that, with the exception of
lands needed for road widenings or for the preservation of environmentally
sensitive lands, the City did not acquire a whole lot of land. Mr. MacNair indicated there was not a budget
allocated in connection with the Surplus Schools Acquisition policy.
The following groups
and/or individuals provided written submissions in support of the purchase of
the subject schools, all of which are held on file with the City Clerk:
Abbas and Mina Farid
Alan Ibrahim
Amine Kheirallah
Audrey Reekie
Barry George
Veda Weselake
Beatrix Lee
Bill Smith and Gord Lennox
Brian Mahoney
Bruce McDonald
Carolyn Caverly
Centre Pauline-Charron
Charlotte and Richard Campion
Chris Epplett
Chris Pomroy
Christian and Lisa Boudreau
Dan Saikaley
David Biggs
Deanne Bones
Deb MacLean
Denise Beauchamp
Don Anderson
Donna Warner
Earl Canham
Eddy Abou-Nehme
Elaine and Dan Rainboth
Eleanor B. Lowe
Eleonore and Ray Benesch
Elie Malouf
Elizabeth Campbell
Elizabeth Gluckstal
French Language Services
Advisory Committee
Geraint Lewis
Gordon Taylor
Hunt Club – Riverside
Community Centre
Irena Zamboni
Joann Nicholson
Joe Bones
Joe Parchelo
Joyce and Morris Anderson
Judith Robertson
Kareem Nesrallah
Kawsar and John Kruithof
Keith Parsonage
Laura Kerr
Linda Thompson
Lorraine Hartglas
Lynda Barrett and Hamid Mousa
Lynn and Robert Douglas
Mary Ellen and George Grubb
Maureen Tomosk
Merv Hanniman
Michael Salhani
Monique Paré
Murray and Joan Dalrymple
Nicolas Ibrahim
Pat Gauthier
Paul Koch
Paul Penna
Peggy Bosc
Peter Howroyd
Philip Caiger-Watson
Robert Campbell
Ron and Christine Belanger
Ron Lavergne
Rose Mae Harkness
S. Barb Thornton
Scott Proctor and Lisa Roberts
Sherri Rose
Terry Cullinan
Tim MacLean
Tony and Marilyn Patrick
Wally Rowsome
At this
juncture, Committee moved In Camera to consider a corresponding Confidential
report.
Moved by
Councillor R. Bloess
That the meeting of the Corporate Services
and Economic Development Committee move In Camera pursuant to Section 13(1) of the Procedure By-law to
consider the following report:
Surplus School Properties – 3071 Riverside Drive and 2720 Richmond
Road – Owned by the Ottawa-Carleton District School Board - In-Camera – Proposed
Acquisition of Land by the Municipality – Report Out Date: Following Conclusions of Negotiations,
Information Will Be Reported
CARRIED
Resuming
in open session, Mayor O’Brien advised that staff had provided a motion to
replace the staff recommendations, which Councillor Desroches had offered to
move on their behalf.
Moved by
Councillor S. Desroches
That the Corporate
Services and Economic Development Committee recommend to Council:
1. That staff be given direction to pursue
the acquisition of 3071 Riverside Drive and 2720 Richmond Road from the
Ottawa-Carleton District School Board within the parameters established by
Committee and Council;
2. That staff be directed to return with
an appropriate redevelopment plan for these two properties in 2008, should
the acquisitions be finalized; and
3. That staff provide a funding recommendation to Council
at its next meeting.
CARRIED as amended